Monta Ellis Trade Rumors: Monta's Agent, Jeff Fried, Has Told Management Ellis Wants to be Traded

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Monta Ellis Trade Rumors: Ellis For Lamar Odom And Shannon Brown "Went Nowhere"

If the 2011 offseason could be summed up in two words it would be “Monta Ellis.” Ken Berger (via Tim Kawakami’s Twitter) of reports that the Warriors and Lakers discussed a Ellis for Lamar Odom and Shannon Brown trade that “went nowhere.” According to Tim Kawakami of the San Jose Mercury, Monta Ellis, at the tender age of 25 but in the league for a good 7 years now, is ready to be traded to a contender:

Important note: Ellis loves playing at Oracle Arena. But he also is at the point in his career where he wants to be playing for titles.

Wow. The Warriors have to be foolish to want Odom and Shannon Brown. Historically, Odom’s value seems to appear and disappear depending on the talent surrounding him. Perhaps it has more to do with age, location, and coaching, but Odom’s Los Angeles Clipper days were lackluster. Among the Los Angeles Lakers and relatively stacked Miami Heat squad, Odom seems rather motivated on most occasions.

What actually worries me about a trade like this is the difference in ages between Odom (32) and Ellis (25), unless Shannon Brown is the real center piece of this trade. Shannon Brown is an electrifying Warrior killer for sure. But so is the Spurs journeyman Matt Bonner.

And if Odom is the centerpiece of that trade (obviously), there are a ton of red flags. This is all purely my own opinion and you can take this with a grain of salt, but Odom’s marriage to Khloe Kardashian would probably kill Odom’s inspiration to play basketball if it wasn’t in Los Angeles.

Why? Well, rumor has it that their prenuptial agreement, in the event of a divorce, has Odom paying for courtside tickets for not just her but her whole family, which I presume is for life? With that said, having been a title contender for a while now and being within Hollywood circles with Khloe, imagine how miserable he would be as a Warrior away from the limelight and think how that would kill his inspiration to play basketball. I expect candy binges like crazy on the sidelines and ballooning weight. Odom tried and has finally become part of Los Angeles’ glitterati and the activist sensibilities or tech dominant culture of Bay Area life — Steve Jobs is the closest thing to Jack Nicholson — probably doesn’t mesh well with Odom’s career trajectory.

Also, is it strange that Ellis is already on the path of wanting to “play for a contender?” I thought that was meant for aging vets in their twilight. I guess the Warriors consistent internal turmoil would do that to a player.

At any rate, with these kinds of rumors swirling and previous baggage with Ellis’ Moped-gate incident, it is probably time for the Warriors to part ways with one of their best, yet polarizing — on and off the court — players in Monta Ellis


Monta Ellis NBA Trade Rumors: GM Larry Riley Says "Lies", More Demand For Stephen Curry

Monta Ellis speculation has run rampant in the streets the past few days. The momentum again appeared to stall once Golden State Warriors general manager Larry Riley was questioned on the issue. Basically, all the trade rumors you've heard the past few days? Bunk, pure bunk. Matt Steinmetz of CSN Bay Area reports.

"This is one of those things where there have been at least two stories that were absolute fabrications. Some of those things that are coming out are an insult to the people on the other side."

(To have an idea of the trades that have been suggested, they involve Dwight Howardthe #2 pickand Andre Iguodala. Some of these appear to be a little ridiculous, so draw your own conclusions as to which ones Riley is referring to.)

Moreover, Riley says that teams seem to be more interested in another Warrior. Sam Amick of Sports Illustrated reports:

Riley also said the trade calls for Stephen Curry far outweigh those for Ellis: "Nobody is saying,'What will it take to get Monta Ellis?'" 

This is a master work in obfuscation by Riley. The Warriors could be deflecting interest in Ellis to try and drive down interest in him publicly. They could just be trying to assuage Ellis. And while it seems unlikely that they're trying to shop Curry, but it's not out of the realm of possibility, right? Both together seems like a defensively deficient backcourt, so one has to go, and if it's not Ellis ...

All in all, don't think this saga is quite over yet. The Warriors could not make a move most of the summer, and the Ellis rumors won't die down until Golden State makes some type of move to transition to the defensive-minded basketball they want to play.

Warriors fans, would you trade Monta Ellis? If you had to trade Ellis or Stephen Curry, who would you trade and why? Let us know in the comments!

For more on the Warriors, discuss them at Golden State of Mind.


Monta Ellis Trade Rumor: Timberwolves #2 Pick For Ellis and Warriors #11?

In this rumor-filled offseason, the Warriors hope to continue to rebuild their team in what looks to be the basketball equivalent of ABC’s Extreme Makeover. Recent trade rumors link star player Monta Ellis to just about every team in the league and a possible suitor for his talents could be the Minnesota Timberwolves, allegedly interested in trading their #2 pick for some young veteran presence.

Sporting News’ Sean Deveney weighs on some of the teams rumored to be engaged in trade talks with the Timberwolves and makes some suggestions on what could possibly work. For the Warriors, Deveney believes a package of the Timberwolves #2 and Martell Webster for Warriors #11 and Monta Ellis:

WARRIORS: Golden State has been connected to just about every team in the league in trade talks this offseason, but oddly enough, not with the Timberwolves. Still, if the Warriors want a taker for star guard Monta Ellis and the Wolves want a premier perimeter scorer, a deal makes sense. Ellis wouldn’t fit Kurt Rambis’ triangle offense at all, but that would just give the team added incentive to replace Rambis as coach. If the Timberwolves would part with Martell Webster — whose 3-point shooting would be a good fit in Golden State, and who can play the kind of perimeter defense the team is looking for — plus salary fodder and the No. 2 pick for Ellis and the No. 11 pick, and there could be the germ of a deal there.

This trade seems rather logical for the Warriors since getting the number #2, who most likely, though not definitely, would mean landing Arizona’s PF Derrick Williams with the sweet outside stroke. The Warriors could definitely use more consistent shooting threats. Monta Ellis may be a great scorer, but he has enough deficiencies in his game and size that diminish his value in the market for teams looking for more scoring. Also, getting Derrick Williams would just be more symbolic than anything fot the Warriors franchise as Lacob aims to start his regime with his own players and staff (as we’ve already seen). With any long term relationship, break ups, even if they were destined for failure, are still tough. Securing the #2 pick isn’t chump change though.

For the Timberwolves, this could make some sense as it gives the PG of the future Ricky Rubio someone to run with. If Rubio really is the point guard, dishing out 10+ assists a game as predicted by scouts, analysts, and GMs, Ellis looks to be in a good position to score, score, and score. This team won’t be playing much defense, but Ellis will be gigantic upgrade over all 1st round busts of recent memory (Wayne Ellington and Johnny Flynn to name a few).

If you’re the Warriors, would you accept a Monta Ellis for T-Wolves #2?


Monta Ellis Trade Rumor: Dwight Howard For Ellis, Biedrins, And Udoh

If the new Warriors regime hasn’t been exciting enough already, Jonathan Givony of reports that the Warriors have offered Monta Ellis, Andris Biedrins and Ekpe Udoh for Dwight Howard. Givony adds that it is “unlikely that’ll get it done,” which I interpret as the Warriors package is pretty worthless. If the Magic are in rebuilding mode, being strapped with two long-term deals in Ellis and Biedrins, a combo that has not won many games together, is hardly the way to go. And Udoh clearly has not and probably will never project as the next in line of great Orlando Magic centers.

But, Magic GM Otis Smith has a weird love for Warrior players, collecting and turning such players as Adonal Foyle, Matt Barnes, and Mickael Pietrus into important reserves. Jason Richardson and Gilbert Arenas are the two newest former Warriors to don the pin stripes, but they haven’t exactly been as heralded as the others. With that said, Ellis, Biedrins, and Udoh probably won’t get the deal done. But Smith seems like the guy to be open to a trade with the team he used to work for (a former Warriors front office executive). He clearly has a soft spot for the Warriors....or at least the players. If the Warriors are willing to package some first rounders with Ellis (sans Biedrins) and Udoh, I could see Smith biting if he thinks its time to rebuild. 

What package do you think would likely “get it done?” Do the Warriors realistically have any pieces that Orlando, realistically, would want?


Monta Ellis Will Not Be Traded, Says Golden State Warriors GM Larry Riley

Well, it's been a fun week of circulating trade rumors for Golden State Warriors guard Monta Ellis, but it looks like it's all coming to an end. Head coach Mark Jackson has seemed to place his support solidly behind Ellis, stating that he's the third best shooting guard in the NBA. It's a strong statement, but a statement that indicates that he's going to be a Warriors starter when the next season begins.

And then Golden State general manager Larry Riley offered even stronger remarks indicating Ellis would be back in the Bay Area next season. Zach Lowe at Sports Illustrated revealed those thoughts in his conversation with Riley.

"We are not shopping Monta Ellis. It is business as usual here. I think you have to look at what just happened in the Finals — it seemed like Dallas played pretty small guards throughout that series with Miami and did a pretty good job of it. Our problem is not the small backcourt. Our problem is defense."

Well, Golden State hitched their wagons to Stephen Curry, so it looks like Curry and Ellis will be the Warriors backcourt for the near future. And although neither of them are defensive stoppers, it seems Golden State believes the problems lie elsewhere. Will the Warriors get bigger to be better?

Do you think Monta Ellis will be traded? Who will he be starting for the next time Golden State plays basketball? Let us know in the comments.


Monta Ellis Trade Rumors: Joe Lacob Mum About Rumors

With Monta Ellis trade rumors linking him to almost every playoff contending team in the NBA, Warriors owner Joe Lacob tells San Jose Mercury’s Tim Kawakami that what the press is reporting is far from the truth:

LACOB: I don’t think he will be. I mean, you want me to give odds now? There’s a tremendous amount of speculation in the press, and I can’t believe where all this is coming from… because the stories are completely fabricated, by you or whoever. I don’t know who’s fabricating them.

They’re fabrications, complete and utter. All these teams that supposedly have talked to us. It’s not true. It’s just not true.

We all really like Monta Ellis a lot. We think he’s a great player. The question will be, like with every other player on the team–is there someone we think makes more sense, that could be better, make us a better team?

Smart move by Lacob to step in and do some damage control on, probably, the hottest trade rumor out there right now. The Warriors have done a “great” job in the past alienating its players by denying trades when they want out or trading them for below market value or at the peak of their popularity among Warrior faithful. It is definitely refreshing to see Lacob step in and take control of the situation and to show a better administrative culture in place.

But with a limited talent pool available this off-season, will the Warriors get the value they and fans feel they deserve in exchange for, arguably, their best player? As many NBA analysts have been critiquing already, SB Nation Bay Area’s Avinash Kunnath included, Monta Ellis is a bad fit for many of the teams allegedly talking to the Warriors. More specifically, these critics feel that teams are unlikely to part with the pieces the Warriors want for a “smallish” two-guard that doesn’t blend well with teams’ existing culture and/or players. Further, the Warriors most likely won’t want what these teams ARE willing to part with. Hoopsworld Joel Brigham discusses how Taj Gibson and Omer Asik are the likeliest pieces the Chicago Bulls are willing to move.

With that said, if Taj Gibson and Omer Asik are the best the Warriors can fetch for Ellis’ talent, do you pull that trigger? If getting fifty cents to the dollar is this off season’s going rate for Monta Ellis, do you do that deal to start “fresh?” If you were the GM/Owner, who would you be willing to “settle” for in exchange for Ellis?


Monta Ellis Trade Rumors: Would Minnesota Timberwolves Trade #2 Pick

According various media sources, the Warriors have been in trade talks with a range a teams. Allegedly, the Warriors have been interested in Memphis Grizzlies Rudy Gay, Philadelphia 76ers Andre Iguodala, and Denver Nuggets Nene in exchange for Monta Ellis.

Tim Kawakami of the San Jose Mercury considers which rumors could make the most sense for either team and concludes that the Sixers are the likeliest partner (though by no means official) given how much they would save in salary over the couse of the next three years:

I just don’t think Philadelphia pulls the trigger on this, unless it can find no better deal for Iguodala (27), who is owed $13.5M, $14.71 and $15.9M (as a player-option).

But Kawakami brings up an interesting scenario, which involves the Minnesota Timberwolves parting with their number two pick in the 2011 NBA draft.

I’d guess the Warriors would love to have a shot at Arizona’s Derrick Williams with the 2nd pick, but the problem is, what else would they have to take from Minnesota to make the money work? Luke Ridnour? Wayne Ellington? Jonny Flynn?

I’m not sure Monta would be too thrilled to end up in Minneapolis, either.

Could the Warriors pull that off? A move like that would be another bold (symbolic) step this summer for the Warriors newly formed front office looking to distinguish the new post-Chris Cohan regime. The move would be very Jerry West-esque, possibly reminding Warrior fans of his 1996 moving of Vlade Divac for Kobe Bryant (not that Derrick Williams is the next Kobe Bryant, but more in terms of risk-taking draft night moves).


Monta Ellis, Not The Scorer As Advertised

In the past year, Monta Ellis’ made his way onto the national radar for his late game heroics and electrifying performances on national television. His offensive outburts versus the Los Angeles Lakers have been so spectacular that Kobe Bryant voluntarily offers his vote of approval anytime they match-up.

But as the center of many trade rumors as of late, critics have taken note, using advanced statistics, that Monta Ellis is an overrated scorer. SB Nation writers weigh in on the alleged talks between the Warriors and the Orlando Magic and Philadelphia 76ers and there seems to be a growing critique that Monta Ellis won’t upgrade a team…at all.

Evan Dunlap of Orlando Pinstripe Post provides a range of reasons why Ellis is not really the scorer as advertised. But beyond his lack of scoring efficiency, numbers show that the Warriors were better off with him on the bench. Here’s a brief snippet:

Over the same span, only six players have averaged more than one shot attempt every two minutes. Ellis ranks last among them in efficiency, with a True Shooting mark of 52.7. Last season, the average NBAer had a True Shooting mark of 54.3.

In short, Ellis takes a lot of shots at below-average efficiency.

Over at SB Nation’s Liberty Ballers, Jordan Sams concludes through offensive statistics per 36 minutes and other advanced stats that Monta Ellis is actually no different than the Philadelphia 76ers own Lou Williams. For those advanced stat challenged folks like myself, here are the basics:

Ellis – 21.5 points, 5 assists, 3.1 rebounds, 1.9 steals

Williams – 21.2 points, 5.2 assists 3.1 rebounds, 1.0 steal

The only significant advantage Monta had over Lou is his field goal percentage of 45, opposed to 41 for Lou. However; when free throws and threes are factored in, the players’ true shooting percentages are identical. Lou got to the line 2.5 more times per 36, and shot a slightly better percentage (82% to 79%). He also made 0.3 more threes per 36, but shot a slightly lower percentage than Monta (36% to 35%).

There is more nuance to these analyses about Monta Ellis’ offensive value and overall value to a team when he’s off and on the court, which I encourage you to read in full.

With that said, will the Warriors struggle to find a new home for Monta Ellis? And as one of the Warriors best players, what kind of value should the Warriors expect to get in return?


Monta Ellis To Lakers? Andre Iguodala For Chris Kaman Instead?

Just when Warrior fans rejoiced at the possibility of adding a bigger, more versatile, and more defensively oriented 2-guard in Andre Iguodala, Marc Stein of reports that the Philadephia 76ers and Los Angeles Clippers are considering a trade, too. Stein notes that an Iguodala for Chris Kaman trade could be in the works, especially since their salaries match. Kaman’s injuries, however, could prevent this from going down:

The Sixers, according to the source, are in the market for a new big man but covet an athletic big. After a lost season, Kaman must hush concerns around the league about his injury history and foot speed. Those concerns could be an issue for Sixers coach Doug Collins, sources told ESPN The Magazine’s Ric Bucher.

Are Warrior fans crossing their fingers that Kaman’s injuries prove too huge a liability to overcome?

Dexter Fishmore of SB Nation Los Angeles weighs in on the alleged Warriors-Lakers trade talk and notes how this trade makes absolutely no sense:

To begin with, he plays the same position as Kobe Bryant. More to the point, he occupies the same role as Kobe Bryant, as a high-volume shooter who wants the ball in his hands much of the time.

Fishmore adds, via Eric Pincus of Hoopsworld, that the person the Lakers mostly likely would be wiling to give up of value for Monta Ellis is Lamar Odom.

To sweeten the deal for the Warriors, the Lakers will have to throw in Chloe Kardashian. Bad jokes aside, with Jerry West co-orchestrating, perhaps he can work his magic like he did a few years ago swapping Gasols? Can the Warriors get some real value? Can West somehow run some GM Jedi mind tricks and secure Pau Gasol? Heck, even Kobe Bryant (sight sarcasm)?

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